For me I think Horizon was harder because it was a lot more powerful and like the moves were harder. But then Sleepy Rave is really,
really long. They both have their cruxes at the end, but Sleepy Rave has a bunch of resting spots so you can recover from hard moves like
in the middle and the beginning and you can rest, and then take it to the top.
They are both Dai Koyamada problems, right?
Yeah. I climbed with him in Japan and he was the one who actually showed me Horizon and told me to try it. So, um, yeah I definitely respect him
a lot for all he’s done for climbing. He’s one of my heroes because he’s put up so many first ascents and he’s done like so many hard climbs, it’s
Did he suggest Sleepy Rave to you as well, or was that something you wanted to try on your own?
I was looking forward to climbing in the [Hollow Mountain] cave. The cave is full of linkups, and once I did the linkups into Sleepy Rave, I knew
that I could do it. I was just thinking to climb another linkup in the cave because it was raining a lot so we couldn’t really spend time climbing
on the other problems that weren’t in caves, so we spent a lot of time in the Hollow Mountain Cave.
Editor’s note: Sleepy Rave links Sleepy Hollow (8A+ V12/13), Cave Man (7C V9), and Dead Can't Dance (8A V11) inside Hollow Mountain Cave.
Can you tell us more about Horizon? Does it appear in “Young Guns”?
Yeah, it’s in the film and it’s a pretty big part of me climbing in Japan, and I guess like putting up first ascents and some other climbing there. I think
[Japan has] the best climbing I’ve ever climbed. It’s so beautiful and there’s so much potential for hard rock climbing there, it’s really amazing.
Was that your first time climbing in Japan?
I bouldered there a few years ago but it was in the summer so I didn’t really climb too much.
What did you think of Horizon?
It’s a really crazy roof because it’s really overhung and it’s long but the holds aren’t very good and you can’t really rest anywhere so, it’s like you
have to hold your breath and keep your core tight for the whole climb.
It’s rough to have the crux at the very end because that’s where you fall and you’re tired from the beginning. And the last part is the hard bit, so, yeah.
It’s really gorgeous because it’s like orange and it has some neat colors.
Would you say Horizon suited your climbing style pretty well?
Um, yeah I think it suited me pretty well because there’s a bunch of heel hooks and it’s a roof climb, and toe hooks, and some pockets. But it’s also pretty
compression-y, like there’s a lot of moves that are powerful and that’s not really my style.
But it’s not like a specific style of climbing because it’s such a long roof, there’s a little bit of everything.
Can you tell us more about the film? What else appears, besides Horizon?
Yeah, so my piece is the “Young Guns” with my friend Kai Lightner. It’s labeled as the “Young Guns” because we are both pretty young and we’re climbing
a lot, and, you know, I guess we’re pushing the sport.
Some [of the film] takes place in Norway. It has a pretty large part of us climbing in the Flatanger Cave. And then, it has the video of me climbing Horizon,
which was my first V15. So it has that, and then, it has some climbing in New York, which is pretty cool, because I haven’t really shared so much about
my life in the city. And, um, yeah. It’s pretty cool.
How long have you known Kai for?
I think I’ve known Kai for about, like, six years.
Was Norway the first big trip that you guys have gone on together?
Kai, actually, surprisingly, hasn’t really done many outdoor trips. So, I think it was like his second big trip. And yeah that was our first big trip together.
We always see each other at competitions and at climbing gyms, but we’ve never gone on a climbing trip outdoors together. So, yeah that was a first.
How is Kai as a climbing partner?
We’re very different as in, like size and style because he’s a lot taller than me. We’re like opposites because I’m the small one and he’s the really tall
one. But he’s a great partner and he’s nice to hang out with, so it was always fun.
Did you get to see the film as it was put together, or only the final product?
They sent me the final product and some little short clips of it here and there, so, yeah, I was like a little bit a part of the team. I watched the footage
and said what I thought about it and stuff like that.
Are you excited to be in the film?
Yeah, yeah. I remember being in a REEL ROCK a few years ago and it was shown at a bunch of different festivals and a lot of people saw it, and um, yeah
it’s amazing to have people watch you on like the big screen and like talk about it. It’s almost like being a celebrity, you know?
Does that make you nervous?
I guess sometimes I get a little bit nervous because I don’t know what people are going to think about it. And, I mean, in every film there’s a part where
it’s like a funny piece of you, you know? It’s yourself and it’s not just you being a climber. It’s you being, like a little teenage girl.
So I guess some parts I’m a little embarrassed about, but it’s always funny to watch.
Do you have any of those moments in Young Guns?
Yeah, I have quite a few. [Laughs]
All right, well, I won’t ask about them because I don’t want to spoil it for anyone!